which temp sensor is inside the dpf

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lapka
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which temp sensor is inside the dpf

Post by lapka » Sun Jul 12, 2015 9:20 pm

I have a Mazda5 and there's an issue with the DPF. During the regeneration temperature rises too high and the P2428 error pops up. This is on the sensor B1S2. Which one - out of the three sensors - is this? I was sure it was the middle one, but replacing it didn't change anything. Today I checked the other set of values in Forscan (EXHTEMP1, EXHTEMP2, EXHTEMP3) and it would appear that EXHTEMP2 corresponds to B2S1 and EXHTEMP3 to B1S2). So, after all, which sensor is the middle one, located in the DPF itself - B1S2 or B2S1 - and which one is the last one (after cat)?

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Re: which temp sensor is inside the dpf

Post by FORScan » Mon Jul 13, 2015 1:59 pm

B1S2 - Bank 1 sensor 2
B1S1 - Bank 1 sensor 1
B2S1 - Bank 2 sensor 1

EXHTEMP1 - B1S1, upper
EXHTEMP2, B1S2, middle
EXHTEMP3, B1S3 , lower

Bank - cylinder line (side). 4 cyl engine usually have only 1 bank. V6 and V8 engines usually have 2 banks. It is easy to determine number of banks looking at exhaust pipe.

Sensors are numbered from the engine (upper) to the output (lower).

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Re: which temp sensor is inside the dpf

Post by lapka » Mon Jul 13, 2015 2:40 pm

Thanks, but the readings say that EXHTEMP2 is equal to B2S1 (CATT21_DSD).

Moreover, after a lot of searching on the web I found this:
https://euroesi.mazda.co.jp/esicont/eu_ ... 02500.html

It says that:

CATT11_DSD
Indicate the catalyst temperature.
(Before exhaust gas passes through catalyst converter.)

CATT12_DSD
Indicate the catalyst temperature.
(After exhaust gas passes through diesel particulate filter.)

CATT21_DSD
Indicate the catalyst temperature.
(Before exhaust gas passes through diesel particulate filter.)

which would mean that B2S1 is the midle one (after catalyst converter, before DPF).

Anyway, I'll check it today by simply unplugging the sensors and checking the readings.

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Re: which temp sensor is inside the dpf

Post by FORScan » Tue Jul 14, 2015 8:09 am

Both B1S1 (CATEMP11) and B2S1 (CATEMP21) are before the cat (as also mentioned in the document you referred to).

Here is the screenshot that illustrates sensor numbering:
Sensors_locations.jpg
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If your engine is not V6 or V8, it should have no B2S1 at all.

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Re: which temp sensor is inside the dpf

Post by lapka » Tue Jul 14, 2015 8:59 am

Actually, it's not about the O2 sensors, but exhaust gas temperature sensors which are named in the same convention.

And yes, I can confirm now that (at least for RF7J engine in Mazda5):
B1S1 = CATT11_DSD = EXHTEMP1 = before the cat
B2S1 = CATT21_DSD = EXHTEMP2 = after the cat, before the DPF
B1S2 = CATT12_DSD = EXHTEMP3 = after the DPF

which can be a little misleading, because the order in which they appear in all monitoring tools is B1S1, B1S2, B2S1.

Replacing B1S2 solved my issue with too high temperature.

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Re: which temp sensor is inside the dpf

Post by pkomi » Sat Sep 12, 2015 6:08 pm

lapka, I seem to have very similar problems with my DPF in my Mazda6. Temperature sensor B1S2 shows very high temperatures during regen as seen in these two graphs. Is this more or less what you experienced as well? FORScan was the first OBD software to allow me to see the error codes nicely. Where did you manage to source the replacement sensor?
obd.png
Situation during DPF regeneration. Sensor B1S2 rising rapidly
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B1S2 over 800C and P2428 appears
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Re: which temp sensor is inside the dpf

Post by pkomi » Sun Sep 27, 2015 5:04 pm

I have now also replaced my B1S2 exhaust temperature sensor and the previous problem seems to be gone. Monitoring the temperatures during auto regeneration do not show ridiculous values anymore.

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Re: which temp sensor is inside the dpf

Post by carlus » Fri Oct 02, 2015 2:41 pm

pkomi wrote:lapka, I seem to have very similar problems with my DPF in my Mazda6. Temperature sensor B1S2 shows very high temperatures during regen as seen in these two graphs. Is this more or less what you experienced as well? FORScan was the first OBD software to allow me to see the error codes nicely. Where did you manage to source the replacement sensor?
obd.png
obd2.png
Hi pkomi. Please could you tell me what program you use to get the graphs that you put it?

Thanks
MAZDA cx7 diesel

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Re: which temp sensor is inside the dpf

Post by pkomi » Tue Oct 06, 2015 7:22 am

carlus wrote: Hi pkomi. Please could you tell me what program you use to get the graphs that you put it?
Thanks
These graphs are made with OBD Auto Doctor, but FORScan offers similar graphs too.

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