Support of J2534 (Pass-Thru) adapters in FORScan v2.2.*

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Re: Support of J2534 (Pass-Thru) adapters in FORScan v2.2.*

Post by Texbuxer » Mon Dec 10, 2018 4:39 pm

I have used Vxdiag Nano j2534 module successfully. www.allscanner.com

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Re: Support of J2534 (Pass-Thru) adapters in FORScan v2.2.*

Post by Fordtrucktexan » Mon Jan 14, 2019 1:26 am

Just wanted to add that I tried my Chinese VCM II clone, which is the cheapest single PCB clone available on ebay, with Forscan. It does connect and 'work', but it doesn't see all of the modules. My $15 Amazon ELM 327 device sees all available modules.

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Re: Support of J2534 (Pass-Thru) adapters in FORScan v2.2.*

Post by vopros123 » Mon Jan 14, 2019 4:00 pm

Good two-board chinease VCMII fullchip clone seems to be really identical to genuine VCMII and works well. I used to reprogram and configurate ECUs (with IDS software) etc without any problems. It's good with a Forscan too, works more stable then ELM327.

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Re: UBP

Post by tractmec » Mon Jan 14, 2019 11:55 pm

wolf_walker wrote:
Fri Dec 07, 2018 9:58 pm
FORScan wrote:
Mon Aug 31, 2015 10:55 am
S117MC wrote:Will a J2534 adapter allow access modules on the UBP network? Can FORScan access them?
Well, from all J2534 adapters we saw only Ford VCMII does support UBP... And no, UBP is not supported for J2534 yet as testing of UBP is not successful yet (we had no chance yet to get a local access to a vehicle with UBP - as it is US market specific). If anyone has J2534 with UBP support and vehicle with UBP support, we are ready to cooperate (do necessary tests and implement normal support in FORScan).
This might be a dumb question (I'm still learning) but if one was to use a VCMII clone from china(assuming it functioned), would FORScan be able to see modules on the UBP buss then? 2004 Lincoln Town Car, still a couple of modules I can't access.

Hello Wolf

I have an SP177-C good quality clone with which I helped test UBP VCMii support during development of the 2.3.9beta version using a 2003 Expedition and a 2005 F150 and all the UBP modules show up and the self tests run.

UBP VCMii support has been available since Forscan 2.3.9 version release.

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Re: UBP

Post by wolf_walker » Tue Jan 15, 2019 12:57 am

tractmec wrote:
Mon Jan 14, 2019 11:55 pm
wolf_walker wrote:
Fri Dec 07, 2018 9:58 pm
FORScan wrote:
Mon Aug 31, 2015 10:55 am


Well, from all J2534 adapters we saw only Ford VCMII does support UBP... And no, UBP is not supported for J2534 yet as testing of UBP is not successful yet (we had no chance yet to get a local access to a vehicle with UBP - as it is US market specific). If anyone has J2534 with UBP support and vehicle with UBP support, we are ready to cooperate (do necessary tests and implement normal support in FORScan).
This might be a dumb question (I'm still learning) but if one was to use a VCMII clone from china(assuming it functioned), would FORScan be able to see modules on the UBP buss then? 2004 Lincoln Town Car, still a couple of modules I can't access.

Hello Wolf

I have an SP177-C good quality clone with which I helped test UBP VCMii support during development of the 2.3.9beta version using a 2003 Expedition and a 2005 F150 and all the UBP modules show up and the self tests run.

UBP VCMii support has been available since Forscan 2.3.9 version release.

Excellent, thank you. Now I need to find a reliable VCMII clone.

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Re: Support of J2534 (Pass-Thru) adapters in FORScan v2.2.*

Post by miapan » Wed Jan 23, 2019 10:17 am

Have you found it yet?

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Re: Support of J2534 (Pass-Thru) adapters in FORScan v2.2.*

Post by d00m3dd00d » Thu Jan 31, 2019 6:02 am

copano wrote:
Fri Nov 16, 2018 3:32 am
This was asked in this thread before but no one replied to him, so I'll also ask if anyone has tested the VCI-Mini J2534 for Toyota
with Forscan.
Dirt cheap on Ebay
https://www.ebay.com/itm/MINI-VCI-Inter ... 1438.l2649
I tried mine with my 2000 Ford Explorer and so far no dice -- it WAS, however, able to read very little of what my ODBLink MX was able to read. It was absolutely frigid outside and I was late to work, so I didn't get to play with it for longer than 3 minutes. I ran with auto settings inside of Forscan and using the xHorse drivers intended for Toyota. When I remembered the drivers/firmware package when I plugged in the cable, I already had some doubts. I originally bought this for my Corolla but noticed the protocol labeled on the cable matched what was in Forscan's settings and figured I'd give it a whirl. It works beautifully with my 05 Corolla, so it is a decent cable for that car at least.

Is anyone aware of alternate 'xHorse' drivers intended for Ford, bauds to try, or even rewiring that may work? I found a bit of additional info here, link to the archived e-bay ad:
Cost-effective, the price of product is only one-third of similar foreign products.
High performance with ARM cpu inside.
High reliability of products using SMD chip, and certified by CE and FCC.
Support all the diagnostic communication protocols needed for Toyota (since 1996).
Upgrade the firmware via the Internet to improve product.
not only provides commonly used J1962 connector, but also provides the old 22pin connector for Toyota.
Using online feedback function for technical support.

Supported Protocols
K-Line ISO 9141
KWP 2000 ISO 14230-4
SAE J1850 PWM
SAE J1850 VPW
CAN 2.0B ISO 11898
CAN ISO 15765-4
That leaves me with some ideas:

-If pin 22 is used for anything on a Ford, it might not function correctly with this Toyota pin for any number of reasons. Could be as simple as a resistor or maybe something not as easy to solve. I'm still scraping what little I find together.

-Firmware on the Mini VCI is the issue, but is it the answer? The firmware is actually flashing an ARM board from what I saw from the ad. Most likely, likely unencrypted and easy to dissect, probably over UART and could be sniffed.
http://blog.xhorsevvdi.com/what-is-diff ... ci-toyota/

1.4.1 firmware was the last supported for the clones without the security chip. Flashing up will probably 'brick' the device as it will attempt to install software that isn't found on the clones (everything found on ebay pretty much unless they've updated the clones). I recall seeing this when I set it up about 2 years ago in the engrish instructions. Firmware is 2.0.1 as of now, and as stated in the link 1.4.1 FW supports only CAN and K line cars. I'll scratch my chin further on this, I'm hoping there are good uses for this device or at least gateways for a better understanding what's under the hood.

edit: more good info https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0E7tBXDkexY

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Re: Support of J2534 (Pass-Thru) adapters in FORScan v2.2.*

Post by bufer » Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:17 pm

UCDS V3 J2534 China works with version 2.3.20 without any troubles. Excellent.

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Re: Support of J2534 (Pass-Thru) adapters in FORScan v2.2.*

Post by Automate » Mon Feb 18, 2019 1:44 pm

bufer wrote:
Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:17 pm
UCDS V3 J2534 China works with version 2.3.20 without any troubles. Excellent.
Does it work on MS-CAN? What did you pay for it?

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Re: Support of J2534 (Pass-Thru) adapters in FORScan v2.2.*

Post by stimpy88 » Sat Feb 23, 2019 4:11 pm

UCDS adaptors...
To try and make sense of the story so far...

We can see that the real UCDS hardware adaptors, v3 and v4, seem to support J2534 pass through, and work with ForScan, but the problem is that the adaptor is sold as part of the Russian UCDS software, and the price is more than $260. There are fake UCDS hardware adaptors for sale, for much more reasonable sums of money, but they are unknown, and probably do not work.

So I’m sure that there must be known working J2534 adaptors out there, MUCH cheaper than $260.

So what do you use, please share your experience with the community here, so that others can benefit from your knowledge...

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