Attention - bad clone of ELS27

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smegun
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Re: Attention - bad clone of ELS27

Post by smegun »

SoNic67 wrote:
Sun Feb 26, 2017 4:02 pm
Well, since the price was 1/2 of the "official" ELS27, I have tried my luck:
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/2016-Ne ... 91112.html
Results on my 2001 Ford Explorer and 2001 Mercury Sable are as attached:

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same for me cannot connect to 2002 Lincoln as above stnfirmwareupdater cannot upgrade the stn1170
benlatak
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Re: Attention - bad clone of ELS27

Post by benlatak »

Hello. I live in France ans search this ELS27 adapter.

Here on Ebay, that seems it is official dealer.. True ??? => https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ELS27-v4-Dia ... 3278168879

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JR_Clio
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Re: Attention - bad clone of ELS27

Post by JR_Clio »

Hello everyone. Recently Internacional bought an Aliexpress ELS27

Just could operate onda HS-CAN mode, and I'm thinking itinerario could be not really what they say
Is this one: https://m.es.aliexpress.com/item/329210 ... 495&is_c=N

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Dos you think this is a fake one?
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A good ELS27 Clone

Post by AndyGeorge »

$30 ELS27 clone connected 2006 Mazda 3 very well. Locally shipped in Melbourne Australia. Can only comment on that particular use case.

All modules on HS-CAN and MS-CAN appeared on connect. Connected at high speed and low latency. Using Forscan for Windows, USB adapter.

Think its using
1. FTDI FT32RL UART to USB
2. STN1170 v3.3.1 (ELM327 v1.3a)

<<<config log>>>
Interface:
Port: COM5, 2000000 kbps
Type: FTDI
Adapter: STN1170 v3.3.1 (ELM327 v1.3a)
Min.delay: 12 ms ( Good)
Errors: None

Vehicle:
Model: Mazda Axela/Mazda3 (Japan/General market)
Engine: L3
Capacity: 2.3L
Generation: 2006 MY
Transmission gear: Automatic
VIN: JM0BK1032***

TCM - Transmission Control Module
Strategy : SW-L34NTA000

PCM - Powertrain Control Module
Part number: L34NA
Strategy : SW-L34NEA000
Hardware type: NGS_PCM
VIN: JM0BK1032***

OBDII - On Board Diagnostic II

ABS - Antilock braking system
Part number: 6N61-2C405-AA
Software version: v4 2005-11-07

EPS - Electronic-Controlled Power Steering
Part number: AC
Software version: v6 2005-11-14

IC - Instrument Cluster
Software version: 2005-12-16

RCM - Restraint Control Module
Part number: BS4H-57K300-
Software version: 2006-02-27

EATC - Electronic Automatic Temperature Control

GEM - Generic Electronic Module
Software version: v3 2006-03-21
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identificator
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Re: Attention - bad clone of ELS27

Post by identificator »

AndyGeorge wrote:
Mon Jul 27, 2020 12:32 pm
All modules on HS-CAN and MS-CAN appeared on connect. Connected at high speed and low latency. Using Forscan for Windows, USB adapter.
Equal to previous one, it's a GOOD clone (outfit is equal):

Microchip
PIC24
HJ128GP
504-I/PT(88)
1642VWV

FTDI
1703-c
D9263701
FT232RL

Mondeo 2007 was read and performed "error clean-up"
Kuga 2014 was read and Cruise-Control was configured.
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Re: Attention - bad clone of ELS27

Post by mrstrick1 »

I had 2 adapters that worked with forscan, now it says clone detected with them. What changed with forscan?
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Re: Attention - bad clone of ELS27

Post by tractmec »

mrstrick1 wrote:
Sat Apr 10, 2021 12:48 am
I had 2 adapters that worked with forscan, now it says clone detected with them. What changed with forscan?
With the development of the 2.4.x branch which is Module firmware programming capable and is currently only available by specific request, Forscan has incorporated a check of the adapters ability to send and receive data without having to do a large amount of error correction or incurring large numbers of CAN Bus communication errors.
The Forscan Teams experience with many of the low cost and Chinese built and/or "Cloned" ELM327 and ELS27 adapters having "bricked" Modules during Firmware updates and module programming has given them cause to incorporate a check of the adapter to make sure at can handle the large amounts of data that module programming requires! Any interruption in data flow during connection to the adapter or to the vehicle may trigger this message!

This is also incorporated into the latest versions in the 2.3.3x branch as well. See this topic(Second Point) for more details viewtopic.php?f=16&t=14885
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Re: Attention - bad clone of ELS27

Post by Qwarz »

Did anyone upgrade ELS27 clone using newest firmware for STN1170: https://www.scantool.net/downloads/updates/stn1170/?
Will that brick clone interface?
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Re: Attention - bad clone of ELS27

Post by Ecmbuster »

Interesting post
1) Clones are garbage and it's no different than "spinning that roulette wheel".
2) Any software update that includes a firmware update, will trash the "clone".
3) Software updates are designed to "look for the clone".
4) The new software will likely stop working because the firmware doesn't match.

With "factory style" clones that are used for programming can become a very expensive endeavor.
Trash a new or used controller via clone, will be an "eye opening experience" when the controller needs to replaced TWICE!
New and complex networks may accept "clone" connectivity but certainly don't expect any reasonable functionality.

Going cheap is a disaster in the making.
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