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delta4wheel
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Selenoid Strategy download 10R80 2018 Expedition

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Hello all, i need to upload a solenoid strategy after my valve body swap. I enter in the strategy number in "T Transmission Characterization Update" section, and enter the strategy number. I get the window that states file not found, would you like to download? I click yes, and then the log reads error loading file, then service procedure has been interrupted.

Is this because the 10R80 in the expedition is yet to be supported?

Thank you, Carl
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Re: Selenoid Strategy download 10R80 2018 Expedition

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Post the version of FORScan
Post the primary images or all the strategies.
Post the image at the Modules Tab
Why are you replacing the valve body?
2018 Expedition 10R80 valve body strategy is not accessible because this GM/Ford transmission uses "adaptive shift learning".
Call it "fuzzy logic".
Read the attachments included.
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Post your results and make sure you use a service manual.
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Re: Selenoid Strategy download 10R80 2018 Expedition

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I have the latest version of Forscan loaded 2 days ago 2.3.41

New strategy number that I'm trying to load is 21025F0244781

The Expedition has 75k miles on it and it recently started having erratic shifting, harsh shifting, slipping in 3-4, long pauses in between gears, etc.

I can control the bad shift behavior in manual mode. If I manually shift the transmission, and also let it shift into the next gear COMPLETELY with foot off the pedal, then roll into the throttle after its completed the upshift I get no slippage and it pulls hard like it should. I go back to auto shift mode, and it slips bad in 3 and 4 and has all the issues previously stated above. It gets worse as the transmission heats up but still controllable in manual mode. This led me to believe it was the valve body and not internal clutches or other hard parts. I have lightly driven it since the valve body swap and its got the same symptoms. I have yet to enter in new strategy number however and I'm hopeful but pessimistic that loading the correct strategy will work.

I have an appointment with Ford in 2 weeks to install the solenoid strategy, re-flash the TCM and load all new and updated software in hopes that this will fix my issues. I am trying everything to avoid needing a new transmission.

Thanks again,

Carl
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Re: Selenoid Strategy download 10R80 2018 Expedition

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delta4wheel wrote:
Tue Jun 15, 2021 8:57 pm
I have the latest version of Forscan loaded 2 days ago 2.3.41
New strategy number that I'm trying to load is 21025F0244781
That strategy is likely found on the Ford Servers and is applied to the VIN of the vehicle.
FORScan can not connect to the Ford Servers.

However ...........
6R is a six-speed automatic transmission
6F is a six-speed automatic transmission
The 10R80 transmission is a 10-speed transmission

Make sure everything is correct. If unsure , stop doing what you think is going to help. Go to the dealer.
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Re: Selenoid Strategy download 10R80 2018 Expedition

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OK, thanks that's what I thought may be happening. If I download the file from Motorcraft.com and load it into the file where the Forscan is looking for the file (see pic) C:/users/jason/documents/calibrationfiles/, it should load correctly then?
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Re: Selenoid Strategy download 10R80 2018 Expedition

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You went to Motorcraft.com and accessed the As-Built for your VIN?
As-Built and the transmission strategy are two distinct programming areas.
They are not the same.

You need to flash update the transmission software level.

The solenoid strategy are a factory method of controlling the solenoids calibrations.
They are all tested for opening / closing with flow attributes.
In other words, those solenoids match the valve body.

Part two and as important is the TCM flash.

If the solenoid and valve body strategy is accepted within the TCM and the transmission is not internally damaged or internally leaking, the TCM flash corrects the shift points and adapts to the current driving behavior.
The flash also corrects Fords mistakes.
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Re: Selenoid Strategy download 10R80 2018 Expedition

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No, I haven't gotten anything from Motorcraft yet. I was asking if I go there to find the solenoid strategy file for my brand new, from Ford, valve body and load it into my laptop would Forscan find it and load it?
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Re: Selenoid Strategy download 10R80 2018 Expedition

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If there is a strategy on that valve body, it would be tagged, laser printed or stamped on the new one.
FORScan obviously notices the change with the replacement.
The strategy is hand written in.

Programming:
I suspect specific a FORScan branch will with a power supply on the battery.
The difference being how the vehicle is connected and what type of device.
I my world, it is always a 90 AMP floating power supply and a J2534-2 Pass-Thru device.

The problem is access to the flash update, a Motorcraft subscription is required and again a J2534-2 Pass-Thru device is required.
To access clear images, try this tool on your laptop instead of a camera, name the images.
Send the short cut to the desktop and task bar.
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Re: Selenoid Strategy download 10R80 2018 Expedition

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I'm not sure what you are referring to the a FORScan branch and power to the battery, and/or pass through. I am using an OBDII blue tooth adapter (OBDLink MX+) and a laptop in my attempts to upload the new strategy number that is engraved onto my newly installed valve body. The bluetooth adapter has worked great with every other FORScan modification to the vehicle.

It's probably best that I just keep my appointment at Ford in 2 weeks and let them upload the new solenoid strategy and at the same time completely reflash and update my TCM.

Thanks again, I really appreciate your effort.
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Re: Selenoid Strategy download 10R80 2018 Expedition

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Try the image with the post above.
EDIT:
That strategy looks incorrect.
If it is not correct, FORScan will kick it out.
Send the VIN here, now I want to see it from this end.
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